WEBVTT 00:00:12.280 --> 00:00:15.940 Scott: Welcome to the Bikeshed Podcast, where we talk about all things software engineering, 00:00:16.480 --> 00:00:19.820 Scott: technical prowess, and probably AI, but hopefully not AI. 00:00:20.620 --> 00:00:26.400 Scott: I'm your co-host, UI fanboy, caffeine jitter junkie, and owner of more than 10 plus keyboards, 00:00:26.700 --> 00:00:27.360 Scott: Scott Kaye 00:00:27.660 --> 00:00:28.140 Scott: And 00:00:28.140 --> 00:00:29.920 Scott: alongside me are my co-hosts, 00:00:30.460 --> 00:00:30.620 Scott: a 00:00:30.620 --> 00:00:32.419 Scott: man whose opinion has never been wrong, 00:00:33.160 --> 00:00:36.460 Scott: well, at least according to him, Matt Hamlin, and a man 00:00:36.460 --> 00:00:37.240 Scott: who 00:00:37.240 --> 00:00:37.900 Scott: when he talks, 00:00:38.400 --> 00:00:41.880 Scott: you better prepare for some heat, Dillon Spicy Curry. 00:00:43.020 --> 00:00:43.580 Scott: Dillon, 00:00:43.800 --> 00:00:45.400 Scott: what are we chatting about today, bud? 00:00:46.660 --> 00:00:47.080 Dillon: Thanks, Scott. 00:00:47.640 --> 00:00:48.200 Dillon: We're 00:00:48.200 --> 00:00:51.920 Dillon: going to kick it off with a quick round of just getting to know 00:00:52.440 --> 00:00:58.240 Dillon: everyone on the podcast is daily routine. I just want to see like, what are some things you do 00:00:58.520 --> 00:00:58.880 Dillon: every morning 00:00:58.880 --> 00:01:00.260 Dillon: that 00:01:00.260 --> 00:01:00.900 Dillon: you think 00:01:00.900 --> 00:01:01.880 Dillon: make 00:01:01.880 --> 00:01:06.460 Dillon: your day go well as a software engineer? What makes you productive? 00:01:08.920 --> 00:01:12.340 Dillon: Just like share a couple of things that you think maybe 00:01:12.340 --> 00:01:13.140 Dillon: that 00:01:13.140 --> 00:01:14.540 Dillon: you do that maybe other people don't 00:01:14.660 --> 00:01:16.040 Dillon: do that help you 00:01:16.040 --> 00:01:16.780 Dillon: be 00:01:16.780 --> 00:01:19.420 Dillon: productive. I'll just kick it straight over to Matt 00:01:19.420 --> 00:01:20.200 Dillon: and 00:01:20.200 --> 00:01:21.280 Dillon: he can get us started 00:01:21.300 --> 00:01:21.440 Dillon: here 00:01:21.440 --> 00:01:23.000 Matt: yeah 00:01:23.000 --> 00:01:24.060 Matt: for sure um 00:01:24.060 --> 00:01:24.900 Matt: yeah 00:01:24.900 --> 00:01:29.160 Matt: i start every morning at uh at 3 a.m i go for a 15 mile jog 00:01:31.420 --> 00:01:31.940 Dillon: that's 00:01:31.940 --> 00:01:32.320 Dillon: the secret 00:01:32.320 --> 00:01:33.460 Matt: yeah 00:01:33.460 --> 00:01:33.920 Matt: it's a secret 00:01:33.920 --> 00:01:35.780 Matt: um uh 00:01:35.780 --> 00:01:39.960 Matt: no but uh i mean i guess i wake up early i used to 00:01:39.960 --> 00:01:45.840 Matt: wake up really early but not not too early anymore but um i do usually start my days with 00:01:45.860 --> 00:01:48.340 Matt: like a morning walk like maybe a couple miles 00:01:48.340 --> 00:01:49.220 Matt: um 00:01:49.220 --> 00:01:52.500 Matt: i found that to be like really useful just to like 00:01:53.280 --> 00:01:58.460 Matt: you know sort of stretch stretch the legs and like maybe maybe do some thinking on that walk 00:01:58.490 --> 00:02:01.840 Matt: but usually it's just like listening to a podcast so it's not like i don't know 00:02:01.840 --> 00:02:02.760 Matt: um 00:02:02.760 --> 00:02:03.860 Matt: but uh 00:02:03.860 --> 00:02:05.180 Matt: once 00:02:05.180 --> 00:02:05.340 Matt: i 00:02:05.520 --> 00:02:11.920 Matt: actually do like get into work i usually sort of like use obsidian like my vault as like my sort of 00:02:11.940 --> 00:02:16.440 Matt: hub for everything I'm doing. I routinely take a lot of notes in my daily note, 00:02:17.480 --> 00:02:22.240 Matt: sort of jump back to previous notes to see anything I had as action items that I wanted to follow up on 00:02:22.270 --> 00:02:26.940 Matt: for this next day, any work that I need to continue following up on. And then I go through and check email 00:02:27.050 --> 00:02:32.840 Matt: on Slack. Usually email is like, I just archive everything. There's nothing usually worth taking action there. 00:02:33.380 --> 00:02:38.060 Matt: But Slack is the go-to in terms of other things to follow up on. 00:02:39.860 --> 00:02:40.240 Matt: I 00:02:40.240 --> 00:02:45.200 Matt: think also my daily routine maybe kind of changes depending on what tasks I might be working on. 00:02:45.370 --> 00:02:46.280 Matt: If I'm working on just sort of 00:02:46.280 --> 00:02:47.660 Matt: small 00:02:47.660 --> 00:02:50.020 Matt: one-off tickets versus a bigger project. 00:02:51.870 --> 00:02:53.180 Matt: But yeah, it's like, I don't know. 00:02:53.820 --> 00:03:00.360 Matt: Usually I just sort of go through my notes, see what I need to dig into, and then sort of start getting into the code part. 00:03:01.040 --> 00:03:01.520 Matt: I don't know if that's 00:03:01.520 --> 00:03:03.120 Matt: all 00:03:03.120 --> 00:03:04.580 Matt: that insightful, but yeah, feel free to... 00:03:04.760 --> 00:03:05.120 Dillon: Yeah, 00:03:05.130 --> 00:03:06.540 Dillon: I want to ask a follow-up question. 00:03:07.380 --> 00:03:10.500 Dillon: I think, like, we both worked with you a lot in the past, 00:03:10.740 --> 00:03:11.480 Dillon: and 00:03:11.480 --> 00:03:12.040 Dillon: we both think 00:03:12.040 --> 00:03:12.960 Dillon: that 00:03:12.960 --> 00:03:14.040 Dillon: you're, like, highly productive. 00:03:14.440 --> 00:03:16.180 Dillon: Maybe get more work done than 00:03:16.180 --> 00:03:17.200 Dillon: most 00:03:17.200 --> 00:03:17.880 Dillon: people that we know. 00:03:18.420 --> 00:03:19.740 Dillon: I think Scott can vouch for that. 00:03:22.760 --> 00:03:25.520 Dillon: Maybe Scott has hot takes that are not that. 00:03:25.880 --> 00:03:26.680 Dillon: Maybe he thinks you suck. 00:03:27.200 --> 00:03:27.260 Dillon: But 00:03:27.260 --> 00:03:28.760 Dillon: I 00:03:28.760 --> 00:03:33.540 Dillon: just want to know, like, is there anything you do that you think sets you apart from other engineers? 00:03:37.220 --> 00:03:37.860 Matt: That's 00:03:37.860 --> 00:03:40.200 Matt: a good question. I mean, it's hard to say. I think 00:03:40.200 --> 00:03:41.820 Matt: probably 00:03:41.820 --> 00:03:44.960 Matt: just the amount of note-taking that I do 00:03:44.960 --> 00:03:45.700 Matt: is 00:03:45.700 --> 00:03:45.960 Matt: maybe 00:03:45.960 --> 00:03:47.160 Matt: a 00:03:47.160 --> 00:03:47.540 Matt: key 00:03:47.540 --> 00:03:49.180 Matt: aspect. 00:03:50.790 --> 00:03:57.900 Matt: And maybe it's not even just active note-taking in terms of actually writing in Obsidian or in Notion in the past, but it's 00:03:57.900 --> 00:03:58.960 Matt: just 00:03:58.960 --> 00:04:02.460 Matt: things floating around my head that I'm remembering to do. 00:04:04.200 --> 00:04:07.580 Matt: know through the process of doing a ticket i'll probably think of like five or six other things 00:04:07.980 --> 00:04:10.400 Matt: that i probably want to do we're kind of related to it but maybe 00:04:10.400 --> 00:04:11.420 Matt: not 00:04:11.420 --> 00:04:13.160 Matt: worth doing the same pr um 00:04:14.060 --> 00:04:14.820 Matt: and so i'll like 00:04:14.820 --> 00:04:15.820 Matt: either 00:04:15.820 --> 00:04:18.620 Matt: actually capture those in my notes or i'll like 00:04:18.620 --> 00:04:19.540 Matt: make 00:04:19.540 --> 00:04:21.040 Matt: a mental note of it and 00:04:21.540 --> 00:04:24.500 Matt: hopefully come back to it and open a separate pr for it later 00:04:24.500 --> 00:04:26.340 Matt: um i 00:04:26.340 --> 00:04:27.120 Matt: don't know i feel very 00:04:28.220 --> 00:04:29.300 Matt: not that i've like ever like 00:04:29.300 --> 00:04:29.820 Matt: i 00:04:29.820 --> 00:04:32.679 Matt: don't know it's like i feel very erratic maybe when i do work 00:04:33.000 --> 00:04:37.080 Matt: and so that like maybe that helps just because i'm like doing a ton of things but 00:04:37.900 --> 00:04:38.320 Matt: yeah maybe 00:04:38.320 --> 00:04:38.960 Matt: not i don't know 00:04:38.960 --> 00:04:39.540 Dillon: i 00:04:39.540 --> 00:04:41.040 Dillon: think what i'm hearing is you don't just 00:04:41.040 --> 00:04:41.940 Dillon: do 00:04:41.940 --> 00:04:42.540 Dillon: the task 00:04:42.540 --> 00:04:43.220 Dillon: you 00:04:43.220 --> 00:04:43.520 Dillon: like 00:04:45.120 --> 00:04:45.560 Dillon: find 00:04:45.560 --> 00:04:49.580 Dillon: like tons of opportunity while doing the task to make improvements on other things 00:04:50.010 --> 00:04:50.660 Dillon: and you note that 00:04:50.660 --> 00:04:51.620 Dillon: and 00:04:51.620 --> 00:04:53.580 Dillon: like follow up on it as well 00:04:53.580 --> 00:04:54.300 Dillon: rather 00:04:54.300 --> 00:04:55.060 Dillon: than just note it 00:04:55.060 --> 00:04:56.640 Matt: yeah 00:04:56.640 --> 00:04:57.140 Matt: and i mean 00:04:57.620 --> 00:04:59.940 Matt: like and i don't like always follow up on everything it's like 00:04:59.940 --> 00:05:00.520 Matt: there's 00:05:00.520 --> 00:05:01.200 Matt: been plenty of 00:05:01.200 --> 00:05:03.360 Matt: times where it's like i added to do to my notes and it's like 00:05:03.360 --> 00:05:04.360 Matt: two 00:05:04.360 --> 00:05:05.320 Matt: weeks later i look at it too 00:05:05.350 --> 00:05:09.280 Matt: and i'm like i'm not really feeling like i like that that's not worthwhile doing that's like 00:05:09.650 --> 00:05:14.180 Matt: low-hanging fruit it's not worth um spending the time doing it so i just like remove the to-do 00:05:14.680 --> 00:05:18.720 Matt: but yeah i guess for most times it's just like sort of accumulates a list of things i could follow up 00:05:18.780 --> 00:05:18.900 Matt: on 00:05:18.900 --> 00:05:20.460 Dillon: cool what 00:05:20.460 --> 00:05:21.040 Dillon: about you scott 00:05:21.040 --> 00:05:23.080 Dillon: you 00:05:23.080 --> 00:05:23.320 Dillon: got anything 00:05:23.320 --> 00:05:24.360 Scott: good 00:05:24.360 --> 00:05:27.599 Scott: question i think since i venerate matt so much i 00:05:27.620 --> 00:05:28.080 Scott: I basically 00:05:28.080 --> 00:05:29.940 Scott: do 00:05:29.940 --> 00:05:30.800 Scott: a lot of the same stuff. 00:05:31.080 --> 00:05:34.720 Scott: But basically when I get up, I probably immediately get coffee. 00:05:35.660 --> 00:05:37.080 Scott: Pretty addicted to it. 00:05:37.680 --> 00:05:40.240 Scott: I drink about a whole pot by the end of the day. 00:05:41.010 --> 00:05:42.900 Scott: But I start by looking at my personal email. 00:05:43.740 --> 00:05:48.260 Scott: And then I migrate over to my work email on Slack and check my calendar to kind of prep for the day. 00:05:49.320 --> 00:05:54.720 Scott: I tend to pop on music or podcasts. 00:05:55.300 --> 00:05:58.820 Scott: But like one of the things that helps me focus up is literally putting on my headphones. 00:05:59.480 --> 00:06:05.980 Scott: And I honestly liken this to when we worked together in the past in an office where we sat 00:06:05.980 --> 00:06:07.300 Scott: essentially 00:06:07.300 --> 00:06:09.140 Scott: on top of each other that like 00:06:09.140 --> 00:06:09.800 Scott: voice 00:06:09.800 --> 00:06:13.100 Scott: canceling headphones just make me zone in. 00:06:13.900 --> 00:06:16.660 Scott: And similarly to Matt, I use Obsidian or Notion or Notes. 00:06:16.860 --> 00:06:23.620 Scott: I kind of switch it up and I kind of keep a checklist of things I was doing yesterday, goals that I want to accomplish today. 00:06:24.300 --> 00:06:31.400 Scott: and then I kind of nuance those as I work on tasks to see if those tasks really are proven to be more challenging. 00:06:32.370 --> 00:06:37.660 Scott: And one of the things I think, honestly, I've learned from that is how can I – you might have a task, 00:06:37.690 --> 00:06:40.540 Scott: but how can I continue to break that down and continue to make progress, right? 00:06:41.280 --> 00:06:42.160 Scott: Sometimes we 00:06:42.160 --> 00:06:43.400 Scott: tend 00:06:43.400 --> 00:06:45.300 Scott: to look at a task and think it's 00:06:45.300 --> 00:06:46.460 Scott: easy, 00:06:47.580 --> 00:06:48.700 Scott: but in reality, 00:06:48.920 --> 00:06:49.860 Scott: there's 00:06:49.860 --> 00:06:53.680 Scott: more moving parts than we anticipated, and we need to make it into more moving. 00:06:54.280 --> 00:06:55.260 Scott: more smaller parts. 00:06:55.820 --> 00:06:57.820 Scott: But also, we do that same stuff with 00:06:57.920 --> 00:06:59.900 Scott: ticketing, right? So we might 00:07:00.500 --> 00:07:01.840 Scott: need to call out right away, hey, this 00:07:02.020 --> 00:07:03.800 Scott: isn't as simple as we thought. We need to do 00:07:03.900 --> 00:07:05.420 Scott: X, Y, and Z. We need to 00:07:05.840 --> 00:07:07.800 Scott: flush this out into more tickets. Matt, do you 00:07:07.840 --> 00:07:08.060 Scott: have more 00:07:08.060 --> 00:07:08.640 Scott: thoughts on that? 00:07:10.320 --> 00:07:11.780 Matt: I just wanted to follow up. You said 00:07:12.380 --> 00:07:13.440 Matt: you called out, like, sort of 00:07:14.639 --> 00:07:15.980 Matt: you set goals or 00:07:17.419 --> 00:07:18.060 Matt: tasks for 00:07:18.080 --> 00:07:19.820 Matt: you to follow up on the next day. Do you have any sort 00:07:19.820 --> 00:07:21.840 Matt: of system in place for that, or do you 00:07:21.960 --> 00:07:23.720 Matt: just, or is that maybe a little flexible? 00:07:23.840 --> 00:07:24.360 Matt: day-to-day? 00:07:25.160 --> 00:07:25.640 Scott: That's 00:07:25.640 --> 00:07:26.860 Scott: a really good question. It is 00:07:26.860 --> 00:07:28.580 Scott: flexible day-to-day. It's more of like, 00:07:30.340 --> 00:07:30.760 Scott: it's very 00:07:30.760 --> 00:07:32.160 Scott: much related to what I'm currently working 00:07:32.160 --> 00:07:33.540 Scott: on and 00:07:33.540 --> 00:07:34.840 Scott: where 00:07:34.840 --> 00:07:36.880 Scott: that is. But also like, 00:07:38.540 --> 00:07:39.560 Scott: I try to just essentially, 00:07:39.940 --> 00:07:41.260 Scott: I 00:07:41.260 --> 00:07:42.160 Scott: like to feel accomplished. 00:07:42.700 --> 00:07:43.180 Scott: It's 00:07:43.180 --> 00:07:43.900 Scott: really important to me to 00:07:44.040 --> 00:07:49.240 Scott: feel like I've like checked off those tasks before I leave work. Maybe it's 00:07:49.240 --> 00:07:50.020 Scott: poor 00:07:50.020 --> 00:07:50.840 Scott: working culture, 00:07:51.100 --> 00:07:52.800 Scott: but like there's always been for me, 00:07:52.920 --> 00:07:53.420 Scott: like I can't, 00:07:53.820 --> 00:07:58.820 Scott: I can't stop working even if I worked a full day or actively actively been 00:07:58.940 --> 00:08:00.960 Scott: working for eight hours until I have like accomplished something. 00:08:01.360 --> 00:08:07.260 Scott: So sometimes just breaking things down into checkbox amounts to show progress 00:08:08.160 --> 00:08:13.740 Scott: is how I need to validate to myself that I've completed a work day and I've 00:08:13.960 --> 00:08:15.980 Scott: done and put in my part for that day. 00:08:16.640 --> 00:08:17.820 Scott: So it varies. 00:08:18.320 --> 00:08:18.440 Scott: Yes. 00:08:18.580 --> 00:08:19.860 Scott: From day to day and project to project, 00:08:20.100 --> 00:08:24.060 Scott: But there are some more mundane tasks that could be like daily. 00:08:24.840 --> 00:08:30.300 Scott: You know, I haven't been great at it, admittedly, lately, but sometimes fleshing out tickets and scoping work. 00:08:30.770 --> 00:08:32.740 Scott: I try to integrate some of that every day. 00:08:33.400 --> 00:08:47.220 Scott: There's those more minor tasks and things like I started with, like checking emails, making sure I'm getting back to everyone and getting that no one needs anything from me when I'm done with the day so that I leave everything off in good standing. 00:08:47.300 --> 00:08:47.760 Scott: and that 00:08:47.760 --> 00:08:49.540 Scott: if 00:08:49.540 --> 00:08:50.580 Scott: there were open questions 00:08:50.920 --> 00:08:53.280 Scott: or I've more clearly articulated to the rest of the team 00:08:53.420 --> 00:08:57.240 Scott: and other folks like where I stand before I'm done 00:08:57.660 --> 00:08:58.820 Scott: so people don't come to me 00:08:59.320 --> 00:09:02.280 Scott: or to reduce people needing to come to me on off hours 00:09:02.420 --> 00:09:04.440 Scott: to be like, oh, hey, we have to do X, Y, and Z. 00:09:05.000 --> 00:09:06.340 Scott: Things happen, especially at a startup, 00:09:06.620 --> 00:09:07.800 Scott: but we just want to try to 00:09:07.800 --> 00:09:08.800 Scott: increase 00:09:08.800 --> 00:09:09.400 Scott: communication 00:09:09.800 --> 00:09:11.080 Scott: and reduce the need to 00:09:11.080 --> 00:09:14.660 Scott: scramble essentially. 00:09:17.020 --> 00:09:18.220 Matt: Dylan, what about you? What's your 00:09:18.220 --> 00:09:19.120 Matt: daily 00:09:19.120 --> 00:09:19.920 Matt: routine like? 00:09:21.980 --> 00:09:22.780 Dillon: So I 00:09:22.780 --> 00:09:26.460 Dillon: don't like mornings, but I do try to get to work on time. 00:09:28.059 --> 00:09:29.340 Dillon: And I've found that I 00:09:29.340 --> 00:09:30.080 Dillon: am 00:09:30.080 --> 00:09:31.320 Dillon: just a lot more productive from the office. 00:09:31.620 --> 00:09:32.700 Dillon: I know this is probably like 00:09:32.700 --> 00:09:33.440 Dillon: people 00:09:33.440 --> 00:09:34.420 Dillon: probably hate that idea. 00:09:35.800 --> 00:09:35.960 Dillon: But 00:09:35.960 --> 00:09:36.600 Dillon: when 00:09:36.600 --> 00:09:38.160 Dillon: I get to the office, I usually try to just 00:09:38.160 --> 00:09:39.520 Dillon: map 00:09:39.520 --> 00:09:43.660 Dillon: out my day in bullets of like sort of stand up update for myself. 00:09:43.940 --> 00:09:45.260 Dillon: But like, what do I want to get done? 00:09:46.960 --> 00:09:51.420 Dillon: And honestly, I don't usually hit all of those marks, but it's just like, I just want to get 00:09:51.580 --> 00:09:53.960 Dillon: that out of my head so that I can refer back to it if I need to. 00:09:54.140 --> 00:09:55.800 Dillon: And like the chaos of the day. 00:09:56.700 --> 00:09:57.980 Dillon: Um, and then after that, I'll like 00:09:57.980 --> 00:09:58.840 Dillon: try 00:09:58.840 --> 00:09:59.640 Dillon: to just make sure 00:09:59.640 --> 00:10:00.980 Dillon: I, 00:10:01.020 --> 00:10:02.260 Dillon: I know what's in my email. 00:10:02.560 --> 00:10:03.480 Dillon: Like I've checked all of that. 00:10:04.080 --> 00:10:05.540 Dillon: Nobody's like waiting on me in Slack. 00:10:05.760 --> 00:10:07.080 Dillon: There's nothing like I need to do. 00:10:07.780 --> 00:10:09.500 Dillon: So I can basically unblock myself to 00:10:09.500 --> 00:10:10.160 Dillon: get 00:10:10.160 --> 00:10:11.700 Dillon: like, be productive and get work done. 00:10:12.430 --> 00:10:15.300 Dillon: Um, and not be like, not have people like waiting on me to do something. 00:10:16.160 --> 00:10:23.980 Dillon: Because when I'm doing work, I'm like usually so hyper focused that I like forget Slack and email exists for multiple hours. 00:10:26.320 --> 00:10:28.680 Dillon: So if I can like get myself in a headspace where 00:10:28.680 --> 00:10:29.580 Dillon: it's 00:10:29.580 --> 00:10:35.760 Dillon: OK to not think about those things for a couple hours, I'm going to get I'm just going to get a lot more work done. 00:10:36.560 --> 00:10:41.480 Dillon: Otherwise, I'm like getting distracted constantly in context switching and I feel like I get nothing done by the end of the day. 00:10:42.320 --> 00:10:42.900 Dillon: So, yeah. 00:10:44.540 --> 00:10:44.880 Dillon: That's it. 00:10:45.560 --> 00:10:45.980 Dillon: That's my day. 00:10:47.540 --> 00:10:49.260 Matt: I've definitely been in those, like, I don't know, 00:10:49.380 --> 00:10:51.440 Matt: I feel like I'm maybe the opposite of you, 00:10:51.770 --> 00:10:54.260 Matt: where I, like, jump back and forth between Slack 00:10:54.560 --> 00:10:54.640 Matt: and 00:10:54.640 --> 00:10:55.600 Matt: all 00:10:55.600 --> 00:10:58.040 Matt: the other distractions, you know, 00:10:58.230 --> 00:10:59.300 Matt: every 30 seconds or something. 00:10:59.620 --> 00:11:01.580 Matt: But, yeah, it's interesting that, like, 00:11:02.410 --> 00:11:02.540 Matt: yeah, 00:11:02.660 --> 00:11:03.240 Matt: maybe, like, 00:11:03.790 --> 00:11:03.880 Matt: I 00:11:03.880 --> 00:11:04.020 Matt: don't 00:11:04.020 --> 00:11:04.040 Matt: know, 00:11:04.360 --> 00:11:05.520 Matt: it's just, like, you know, 00:11:05.530 --> 00:11:06.060 Matt: we have 00:11:06.060 --> 00:11:06.800 Matt: different 00:11:06.800 --> 00:11:07.920 Matt: ways of being productive, maybe, 00:11:08.080 --> 00:11:08.220 Matt: and it 00:11:08.220 --> 00:11:08.880 Matt: works 00:11:08.880 --> 00:11:09.640 Matt: for both of ourselves. 00:11:10.680 --> 00:11:11.720 Dillon: yeah i just have to 00:11:11.720 --> 00:11:14.120 Dillon: feel like 00:11:14.120 --> 00:11:14.560 Dillon: i'm 00:11:14.560 --> 00:11:15.180 Dillon: free 00:11:15.180 --> 00:11:17.400 Dillon: from distraction to get work done sometimes 00:11:17.400 --> 00:11:18.180 Matt: yeah 00:11:19.460 --> 00:11:20.620 Matt: what one other like 00:11:20.620 --> 00:11:21.660 Matt: one 00:11:21.660 --> 00:11:24.820 Matt: other follow-up that i wanted to dig into is like do you guys do like 00:11:25.040 --> 00:11:25.460 Matt: end of day 00:11:25.460 --> 00:11:26.380 Matt: summaries 00:11:26.380 --> 00:11:27.580 Matt: for yourself at all 00:11:27.580 --> 00:11:28.500 Matt: or 00:11:28.500 --> 00:11:30.200 Matt: is it just like the start of the day kind of 00:11:30.920 --> 00:11:34.980 Matt: notes scott you were kind of talking about like you know like the goal setting sort of aspect or 00:11:35.010 --> 00:11:39.219 Matt: whatever for the next day but it's like do you actively maybe at the end of the day go through 00:11:39.240 --> 00:11:40.920 Matt: and say, okay, here's the thing that you follow up on? 00:11:41.720 --> 00:11:43.480 Scott: That's, yeah, actually, the answer is yes. 00:11:43.650 --> 00:11:46.400 Scott: Like, that's why I create, like, the lists I have. 00:11:46.710 --> 00:11:48.120 Scott: And I constantly, throughout the day, 00:11:49.940 --> 00:11:50.300 Scott: create 00:11:50.300 --> 00:11:53.080 Scott: lists or use lists to see, like, 00:11:53.110 --> 00:11:54.980 Scott: what are the other things that I might forget. 00:11:55.360 --> 00:11:57.040 Scott: But beginning of the day and end of the day 00:11:57.190 --> 00:11:59.720 Scott: and during the day, I'm adding and removing. 00:11:59.890 --> 00:12:02.060 Scott: But I review it at the end just to see, like, 00:12:02.560 --> 00:12:03.760 Scott: what does tomorrow look like? 00:12:03.810 --> 00:12:05.080 Scott: So I'm as prepared 00:12:05.080 --> 00:12:06.180 Scott: as 00:12:06.180 --> 00:12:07.080 Scott: I possibly can be. 00:12:07.190 --> 00:12:08.300 Scott: Do I need to talk to anybody? 00:12:08.900 --> 00:12:12.380 Scott: Do I need to set up any meetings? So, so yes, 00:12:13.180 --> 00:12:14.680 Scott: it, 00:12:15.300 --> 00:12:18.040 Scott: I want to just point out like I did at the beginning, I did say like, 00:12:18.040 --> 00:12:18.540 Scott: I admired 00:12:18.540 --> 00:12:19.500 Scott: your 00:12:19.500 --> 00:12:21.080 Scott: work ethic, Matt, and it's, 00:12:21.340 --> 00:12:24.520 Scott: it's really about your ability to be fast and to check so many avenues. 00:12:25.220 --> 00:12:27.540 Scott: And while you do you do things like slightly different, 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:34.280 Scott: my creating of tasks and lists is kind of something that I've learned to do 00:12:34.480 --> 00:12:38.180 Scott: and really actually lean into. It's something I did prior to meeting you. 00:12:38.880 --> 00:12:41.640 Scott: And you actually pushed me down the path of leaning into it. 00:12:42.360 --> 00:12:48.780 Scott: And I also, so I just want to say like, I'm like a little bit of you, but also a little bit of Dillon, where I do need a distraction-free 00:12:48.780 --> 00:12:50.080 Scott: environment 00:12:50.080 --> 00:12:54.980 Scott: by like putting my headphones on and just like focusing on the thing at hand to get going. 00:12:56.280 --> 00:12:56.420 Matt: Cool. 00:12:57.440 --> 00:12:59.980 Dillon: I'll add just to like the end of day notes thing. 00:13:01.880 --> 00:13:06.240 Dillon: I'm like, if I do that, I'm like glad I did, but I usually don't. 00:13:06.380 --> 00:13:09.480 Dillon: I feel like at the end of the day, I'm just, I feel like I'm running out of time 00:13:09.480 --> 00:13:10.800 Dillon: and 00:13:10.800 --> 00:13:10.980 Dillon: then 00:13:11.160 --> 00:13:12.700 Dillon: five hits and it's like, I got to go commute. 00:13:13.260 --> 00:13:15.100 Dillon: So I just like slam my laptop shut and run. 00:13:15.600 --> 00:13:18.580 Dillon: Like, it's just like the end of the day is kind of a mess for me. 00:13:18.780 --> 00:13:19.900 Dillon: Maybe that's something I can work on. 00:13:20.760 --> 00:13:23.120 Matt: Well, I think, I mean, you're like in this, I don't know. 00:13:23.140 --> 00:13:26.580 Matt: I think, you know, we're kind of like the scale of like who goes like, you know, going 00:13:26.660 --> 00:13:27.420 Matt: into the office or not. 00:13:27.480 --> 00:13:27.580 Matt: Right. 00:13:27.700 --> 00:13:29.380 Matt: Like Dillon, like you go in very frequently. 00:13:30.040 --> 00:13:32.920 Matt: I go in very rarely and Scott basically never. 00:13:35.100 --> 00:13:37.080 Matt: And so it's like, maybe that also influences it. 00:13:37.720 --> 00:13:38.920 Scott: Well, we do do onsites. 00:13:39.780 --> 00:13:42.560 Dillon: Yeah, you can like finish up whenever you're done and take your time. 00:13:42.700 --> 00:13:43.560 Dillon: Yeah, I don't have that. 00:13:44.300 --> 00:13:46.660 Matt: Scott's commute is like four steps behind him to the couch. 00:13:46.780 --> 00:13:47.100 Matt: And then. 00:13:49.540 --> 00:13:58.120 Scott: But even even when I did go in, I still I still like wrote like, these are the things I need to prepare for tomorrow, because it's like part of my under unwinding process. 00:13:58.860 --> 00:14:02.240 Scott: These things will just stew in your mind after sitting there for eight to 10 hours. 00:14:03.000 --> 00:14:05.340 Scott: And you'll worry about it and think about it all day. 00:14:05.370 --> 00:14:16.440 Scott: But I need to find ways to check out of what I just did and feel confident that I did what I needed to do or I did as much as the next engineer would likely do. 00:14:17.440 --> 00:14:17.800 Dillon: Yeah. 00:14:18.080 --> 00:14:18.220 Matt: Yeah. 00:14:18.670 --> 00:14:18.820 Matt: Yeah. 00:14:18.830 --> 00:14:23.300 Matt: And I don't necessarily do an end-of-day summary. 00:14:23.440 --> 00:14:29.640 Matt: But what I have started to do is I added to my daily note template is a section that I call outcomes. 00:14:30.220 --> 00:14:34.900 Matt: So it has like a bulleted list of summary and then a bulleted list for artifacts. 00:14:35.680 --> 00:14:36.660 Matt: So like summary is just like, 00:14:36.660 --> 00:14:37.320 Matt: you 00:14:37.320 --> 00:14:41.140 Matt: know, I talk like unblocked this or like talk to so and so about this. 00:14:41.540 --> 00:14:47.000 Matt: Whereas artifacts, like sometimes it's just like, here's the PR I opened or like released a new project or whatever it is. 00:14:47.080 --> 00:14:48.140 Matt: Then I like sort of tag things. 00:14:49.100 --> 00:14:51.520 Matt: But I think that's more the way I look at it is like more like 00:14:51.520 --> 00:14:52.520 Matt: doing 00:14:52.520 --> 00:14:58.120 Matt: roundups after like maybe a month or a quarter or a year or whatever to help me feed into reviews or whatnot. 00:14:59.240 --> 00:15:01.600 Matt: just like see that progress over time versus like 00:15:01.600 --> 00:15:02.240 Matt: day 00:15:02.240 --> 00:15:02.960 Matt: -to-day reflection 00:15:02.960 --> 00:15:05.280 Matt: um but 00:15:05.280 --> 00:15:05.400 Matt: yeah 00:15:05.400 --> 00:15:06.340 Matt: i 00:15:06.340 --> 00:15:06.420 Matt: don't know 00:15:06.540 --> 00:15:08.360 Matt: it's still it's still very flexible like i haven't like 00:15:08.360 --> 00:15:09.160 Matt: i 00:15:09.160 --> 00:15:10.380 Matt: don't know i've been doing it for maybe 00:15:10.640 --> 00:15:10.740 Matt: only 00:15:10.740 --> 00:15:11.860 Matt: three 00:15:11.860 --> 00:15:12.560 Matt: months now or something 00:15:12.560 --> 00:15:13.280 Matt: and 00:15:13.280 --> 00:15:15.260 Matt: so it's like still pretty new i haven't really like 00:15:15.980 --> 00:15:17.060 Matt: found a good working 00:15:17.060 --> 00:15:18.400 Matt: system 00:15:18.400 --> 00:15:18.860 Matt: for it 00:15:18.860 --> 00:15:20.680 Scott: mine's 00:15:20.680 --> 00:15:24.259 Scott: a lot more laissez-faire and ad hoc i would say it's 00:15:24.280 --> 00:15:30.540 Scott: just more of like getting those bullets there and being able to like look at it and parse through it 00:15:30.660 --> 00:15:36.900 Scott: and just be like okay set the stage for tomorrow um i know where i need to be um and i'm making 00:15:37.200 --> 00:15:38.120 Scott: progress to really just 00:15:38.120 --> 00:15:39.220 Scott: make 00:15:39.220 --> 00:15:41.700 Scott: me feel like i'm accomplishing things i don't know sometimes we 00:15:41.700 --> 00:15:45.880 Scott: do tons of tasks in software but it doesn't feel like we're doing anything and then we actually 00:15:46.030 --> 00:15:52.059 Scott: look back and reflect and realize oh no i did do a ton and we did make progress and just seeing that 00:15:52.080 --> 00:15:52.300 Scott: in 00:15:52.300 --> 00:15:53.340 Scott: like 00:15:53.340 --> 00:15:58.060 Scott: list form for me reinforces that feeling for myself. 00:15:59.440 --> 00:15:59.520 Matt: Cool. 00:15:59.980 --> 00:16:00.540 Matt: Do we want to, 00:16:00.960 --> 00:16:01.460 Matt: I 00:16:01.460 --> 00:16:02.080 Matt: think we have a few 00:16:02.080 --> 00:16:02.940 Matt: special 00:16:02.940 --> 00:16:04.540 Matt: segments this time around. 00:16:04.660 --> 00:16:08.120 Matt: Do we want to jump into the first one up? 00:16:09.840 --> 00:16:11.440 Matt: Or do we have any other following thoughts on 00:16:11.440 --> 00:16:12.240 Matt: our 00:16:12.240 --> 00:16:12.800 Matt: daily routine? 00:16:13.260 --> 00:16:16.060 Matt: And it feels like, I mean, we probably could go into deeper aspects of it, 00:16:16.060 --> 00:16:17.700 Matt: but maybe we save those for separate episodes. 00:16:18.620 --> 00:16:19.080 Dillon: I feel like I 00:16:19.080 --> 00:16:19.760 Dillon: have 00:16:19.760 --> 00:16:20.700 Dillon: like 10 follow-up questions, 00:16:20.960 --> 00:16:23.260 Dillon: but we would be talking about this for the next five hours. 00:16:25.060 --> 00:16:26.160 Dillon: Are we going to my segment? 00:16:27.290 --> 00:16:27.400 Scott: Correct. 00:16:28.740 --> 00:16:29.280 Dillon: All right, let's 00:16:29.280 --> 00:16:29.940 Dillon: do 00:16:29.940 --> 00:16:30.100 Dillon: it. 00:16:30.540 --> 00:16:32.220 Matt: We need a little intro jingle or something. 00:16:32.720 --> 00:16:34.800 Dillon: We need a sizzle, like a frying pan. 00:16:35.160 --> 00:16:35.320 Matt: Yeah. 00:16:36.920 --> 00:16:37.840 Dillon: Play the quack sound. 00:16:38.600 --> 00:16:38.680 Dillon: Yeah. 00:16:40.760 --> 00:16:41.000 Dillon: The 00:16:41.000 --> 00:16:43.660 Dillon: name of this segment is Spicy Takes with Curry. 00:16:44.760 --> 00:16:45.680 Dillon: You probably don't get that 00:16:45.680 --> 00:16:46.620 Dillon: joke. 00:16:47.560 --> 00:16:49.280 Dillon: It might not even feel like a joke to you as a listener, 00:16:49.620 --> 00:16:52.500 Dillon: But my last name is Curry, so there's the joke. 00:16:54.860 --> 00:16:56.600 Dillon: But I'm going to give a spicy take. 00:16:57.300 --> 00:16:58.400 Dillon: It might be like 00:16:58.400 --> 00:17:00.540 Dillon: 200 00:17:00.540 --> 00:17:01.680 Dillon: ,000 Scoville units, 00:17:02.300 --> 00:17:04.839 Dillon: or it could be like 2 million Scoville units 00:17:05.589 --> 00:17:08.240 Dillon: for those Hot Ones listeners out there or watchers. 00:17:09.480 --> 00:17:10.819 Dillon: But my hot take is, 00:17:12.100 --> 00:17:14.459 Dillon: it's just based on my experience at work recently 00:17:14.980 --> 00:17:16.060 Dillon: with like code reviews and things, 00:17:16.380 --> 00:17:20.880 Dillon: but it's that people just abuse, 00:17:22.760 --> 00:17:24.640 Dillon: like when they're writing React components, 00:17:25.160 --> 00:17:28.480 Dillon: they'll just pass every piece of data 00:17:28.550 --> 00:17:30.860 Dillon: you can imagine as a prop through it. 00:17:32.040 --> 00:17:32.900 Dillon: And they sort of 00:17:32.900 --> 00:17:34.160 Dillon: stop 00:17:34.160 --> 00:17:34.500 Dillon: caring 00:17:34.780 --> 00:17:36.320 Dillon: about the single responsibility principle 00:17:36.850 --> 00:17:37.680 Dillon: of a component. 00:17:38.940 --> 00:17:39.520 Dillon: Go ahead, Matt. 00:17:40.700 --> 00:17:42.520 Matt: Oh, no, it's like, as you were talking, 00:17:43.820 --> 00:17:46.020 Matt: the it's free real estate meme came to my mind. 00:17:46.240 --> 00:17:47.180 Matt: It's just like props. 00:17:47.420 --> 00:17:48.080 Matt: It's free real estate. 00:17:50.860 --> 00:17:51.000 Dillon: Yeah. 00:17:51.240 --> 00:17:51.620 Dillon: Yeah. 00:17:53.100 --> 00:17:54.300 Dillon: And I think it's like 00:17:54.300 --> 00:17:55.800 Dillon: something 00:17:55.800 --> 00:17:58.140 Dillon: we talked about just before the show is it. 00:17:58.720 --> 00:17:59.960 Dillon: It's not just that. 00:18:00.520 --> 00:18:02.200 Dillon: That is the hot take for me. 00:18:02.340 --> 00:18:02.800 Dillon: It's that 00:18:02.800 --> 00:18:04.120 Dillon: people 00:18:04.120 --> 00:18:08.960 Dillon: get so busy just trying to get work done that they just stop caring about like the quality of their work. 00:18:10.480 --> 00:18:12.400 Dillon: And then, yeah, it's just 00:18:12.400 --> 00:18:13.440 Dillon: sometimes 00:18:13.440 --> 00:18:14.700 Dillon: it's like a lack of education. 00:18:15.000 --> 00:18:15.700 Dillon: But I don't know. 00:18:15.820 --> 00:18:16.460 Dillon: Sometimes it's like a 00:18:16.460 --> 00:18:17.400 Dillon: lack 00:18:17.400 --> 00:18:17.880 Dillon: of caring. 00:18:21.140 --> 00:18:22.320 Matt: Yeah, when you were out, 00:18:23.040 --> 00:18:23.540 Matt: well, 00:18:23.910 --> 00:18:24.700 Matt: not necessarily last week, 00:18:24.820 --> 00:18:25.920 Matt: but the last time we recorded an episode, 00:18:26.190 --> 00:18:28.240 Matt: we talked a little bit about this article, like nobody cares, 00:18:29.460 --> 00:18:30.260 Matt: which I think kind of 00:18:30.260 --> 00:18:31.120 Matt: shoes 00:18:31.120 --> 00:18:31.920 Matt: in nicely with your 00:18:31.920 --> 00:18:32.940 Matt: hot 00:18:32.940 --> 00:18:33.840 Matt: take a little bit. 00:18:34.720 --> 00:18:35.240 Dillon: Is it spicy 00:18:35.240 --> 00:18:35.860 Dillon: or 00:18:35.860 --> 00:18:36.920 Dillon: is it just kind of mild? 00:18:37.310 --> 00:18:37.720 Dillon: What do you think? 00:18:38.020 --> 00:18:41.300 Matt: Yeah, I feel like we should have like a spicy scale to rate these takes by, 00:18:41.460 --> 00:18:44.240 Matt: like maybe it's like mild, medium, and hot or something. 00:18:45.040 --> 00:18:45.780 Dillon: like tabasco 00:18:45.780 --> 00:18:47.000 Scott: yeah 00:18:47.000 --> 00:18:48.620 Scott: maybe maybe the taco bell 00:18:48.620 --> 00:18:49.400 Scott: the 00:18:49.400 --> 00:18:50.220 Scott: taco bell packets 00:18:51.420 --> 00:18:55.080 Scott: what mild medium hot and extra i'll look it up okay 00:18:55.080 --> 00:18:55.840 Scott: all 00:18:55.840 --> 00:18:56.260 Dillon: right yeah 00:18:56.260 --> 00:18:57.800 Matt: i'll give that a 00:18:59.240 --> 00:18:59.900 Matt: uh a 00:18:59.900 --> 00:19:00.240 Matt: medium 00:19:00.240 --> 00:19:00.880 Matt: on 00:19:00.880 --> 00:19:01.840 Matt: my on the on the 00:19:01.840 --> 00:19:04.500 Matt: scale i 00:19:04.500 --> 00:19:06.000 Matt: feel like it's not that spicy but 00:19:07.040 --> 00:19:07.340 Dillon: yeah yeah 00:19:07.340 --> 00:19:07.920 Dillon: the 00:19:07.920 --> 00:19:09.120 Dillon: more i think about it the more i'm like 00:19:09.120 --> 00:19:10.340 Dillon: most 00:19:10.340 --> 00:19:11.920 Dillon: people probably feel this way so it's 00:19:11.760 --> 00:19:12.420 Dillon: it's not that spicy. 00:19:14.320 --> 00:19:16.560 Matt: Scott, what's your hot take you have 00:19:16.560 --> 00:19:17.260 Matt: there? 00:19:17.840 --> 00:19:21.300 Scott: It looks like I want to say there's mild, medium, hot fire, 00:19:21.460 --> 00:19:22.220 Scott: and then Diablo. 00:19:23.200 --> 00:19:26.320 Scott: So I think that's going to be our scale moving forward. 00:19:27.060 --> 00:19:28.460 Scott: Mel, make sure to jot that down in the notes. 00:19:29.220 --> 00:19:29.720 Scott: I feel like the 00:19:29.720 --> 00:19:32.040 Dillon: goal for every episode 00:19:32.140 --> 00:19:34.580 Dillon: and when you have a hot take is just try to hit Diablo. 00:19:35.540 --> 00:19:37.360 Dillon: And I just wasn't thinking about that this time. 00:19:37.600 --> 00:19:37.840 Dillon: Sorry, guys. 00:19:38.680 --> 00:19:38.860 Scott: Yeah. 00:19:39.560 --> 00:19:41.060 Scott: So my spicy take here, 00:19:42.480 --> 00:19:43.000 Scott: um 00:19:43.000 --> 00:19:49.740 Scott: well i it was diablo but i've decided to to go more along something that i actually believe in 00:19:49.840 --> 00:19:51.240 Scott: and not not just say something 00:19:51.240 --> 00:19:52.300 Scott: a 00:19:52.300 --> 00:19:52.840 Scott: little bit 00:19:52.840 --> 00:19:54.140 Scott: absurd 00:19:54.140 --> 00:19:55.380 Scott: can i can i just give two 00:19:56.140 --> 00:19:56.220 Matt: you only get one 00:19:56.220 --> 00:19:59.860 Scott: right well all right the design system should conform to 00:19:59.860 --> 00:20:00.380 Scott: what 00:20:00.380 --> 00:20:01.460 Scott: the user's needs are 00:20:02.720 --> 00:20:03.360 Scott: that's a hot take 00:20:03.360 --> 00:20:04.900 Scott: what well 00:20:04.900 --> 00:20:08.079 Scott: i mean we all worked on a design system that was a lot of pushback 00:20:08.100 --> 00:20:13.160 Scott: about this where it's like oh you're actually looking for this no the design systems should 00:20:13.300 --> 00:20:17.820 Scott: actually just straight up conform empathetically to what the user says it needs 00:20:17.820 --> 00:20:18.960 Scott: the 00:20:18.960 --> 00:20:19.560 Scott: other take 00:20:19.820 --> 00:20:21.660 Scott: i'm just going to say it design systems shouldn't exist 00:20:21.660 --> 00:20:23.000 Scott: all 00:20:23.000 --> 00:20:24.960 Matt: right that one's spicy i think i guess 00:20:25.040 --> 00:20:28.800 Matt: like i think i now understand what you're saying with the first take where it's like maybe like 00:20:29.659 --> 00:20:35.219 Matt: i think i think it i think it's at like it's sort of like a competing concepts a little bit of like 00:20:36.140 --> 00:20:36.500 Matt: I 00:20:36.500 --> 00:20:39.180 Matt: think what we see, and maybe this is like more of like a, 00:20:39.270 --> 00:20:41.680 Matt: we need to do a design system episode or something, but it's like, 00:20:41.680 --> 00:20:44.940 Matt: I think what we've seen is like usually organizations roll out a design system 00:20:45.080 --> 00:20:47.100 Matt: to try to influence the design in a certain direction. 00:20:47.860 --> 00:20:49.840 Matt: Whereas I feel like the way you're, you're like, 00:20:49.880 --> 00:20:52.660 Matt: the way you're phrasing your take is like the design system should just meet 00:20:52.800 --> 00:20:56.520 Matt: what the current organization needs it to be potentially, 00:20:57.120 --> 00:21:00.540 Matt: and not necessarily try to influence it or point it to a certain end 00:21:00.540 --> 00:21:00.800 Matt: state. 00:21:01.100 --> 00:21:01.240 Scott: Yeah. 00:21:01.360 --> 00:21:07.300 Scott: Yeah, I guess the team that creates the design system doesn't use the design system, and they tend to admit that. 00:21:08.000 --> 00:21:09.300 Scott: And what I think 00:21:09.300 --> 00:21:10.480 Scott: is 00:21:10.480 --> 00:21:17.380 Scott: there should be less pushback from that team to act as if they know what's best in more scenarios than 00:21:17.380 --> 00:21:18.980 Scott: the 00:21:18.980 --> 00:21:21.300 Scott: people using the design system feeling the pain. 00:21:23.700 --> 00:21:27.100 Scott: Maybe I'm just speaking from my only experience on a design system. 00:21:28.280 --> 00:21:30.560 Scott: Probably, but we had it backwards. 00:21:31.940 --> 00:21:36.320 Dillon: it's worth pointing out that we both worked on a design system get together for like 00:21:37.280 --> 00:21:41.360 Dillon: five years so we probably have like a hundred hot takes on how to 00:21:41.360 --> 00:21:42.240 Dillon: have 00:21:42.240 --> 00:21:43.740 Dillon: a good design system so yeah 00:21:44.480 --> 00:21:46.000 Dillon: matt was right this should be like its own episode 00:21:46.000 --> 00:21:47.380 Dillon: yeah 00:21:47.380 --> 00:21:48.200 Matt: i'll just throw that in there 00:21:48.490 --> 00:21:49.660 Matt: yeah throw it on a topics list 00:21:49.660 --> 00:21:50.180 Matt: i 00:21:50.180 --> 00:21:52.340 Matt: i think i would rate that maybe a hot take 00:21:52.340 --> 00:21:53.040 Matt: like 00:21:53.040 --> 00:21:53.560 Matt: on our scale 00:21:54.690 --> 00:21:54.800 Matt: so 00:21:54.800 --> 00:21:58.719 Matt: it's kind of like in the middle it's not not too spicy but not too mild 00:21:59.580 --> 00:22:00.980 Matt: Dillon what's your what's your rating 00:22:00.980 --> 00:22:03.080 Dillon: um 00:22:03.080 --> 00:22:04.820 Dillon: let's see 00:22:04.820 --> 00:22:05.820 Dillon: I 00:22:05.820 --> 00:22:06.400 Dillon: think it's medium 00:22:06.400 --> 00:22:08.200 Dillon: but 00:22:08.200 --> 00:22:09.120 Dillon: maybe that's like 00:22:09.180 --> 00:22:10.680 Dillon: the optimistic view is that like 00:22:10.680 --> 00:22:11.320 Dillon: it 00:22:11.320 --> 00:22:12.160 Dillon: should just be that way 00:22:12.160 --> 00:22:13.440 Dillon: but I 00:22:13.440 --> 00:22:14.860 Dillon: think you guys were arguing that 00:22:14.920 --> 00:22:15.640 Dillon: like it never is 00:22:15.640 --> 00:22:17.360 Dillon: all 00:22:17.360 --> 00:22:19.240 Matt: right is it my turn to share my hot take 00:22:19.240 --> 00:22:21.160 Matt: yep 00:22:21.160 --> 00:22:23.019 Matt: all right I'm hoping this gets 00:22:23.040 --> 00:22:29.840 Matt: closer to Diablo but we'll see um my hot take is that you should not always assume good intent 00:22:32.080 --> 00:22:32.640 Dillon: I'm 00:22:32.640 --> 00:22:34.620 Dillon: not talking I'm just mouthing what you said 00:22:36.060 --> 00:22:37.200 Matt: I wasn't sure if I had dropped 00:22:39.180 --> 00:22:39.700 Dillon: like 00:22:39.700 --> 00:22:41.860 Dillon: it's like a philosophical proverb or something 00:22:41.860 --> 00:22:42.360 Matt: so 00:22:42.360 --> 00:22:44.720 Matt: okay in my context it's like 00:22:44.980 --> 00:22:49.039 Matt: related to maybe engineering or like onboarding or I don't know but like I feel like usually 00:22:49.060 --> 00:22:49.720 Matt: people, 00:22:50.350 --> 00:22:54.860 Matt: like when you come into an older code base or, you know, just a code base that is new to you, 00:22:55.400 --> 00:22:59.960 Matt: I guess, a lot of people will say, yeah, just like assume good intent 00:22:59.960 --> 00:23:00.500 Matt: of 00:23:00.500 --> 00:23:01.160 Matt: like the original 00:23:01.400 --> 00:23:04.860 Matt: implementation. Or like when you come into review a PR, it's like assume good intent that they're 00:23:04.910 --> 00:23:07.200 Matt: trying to do the right thing. My hot take is like, 00:23:07.760 --> 00:23:08.460 Matt: maybe 00:23:08.460 --> 00:23:11.340 Matt: that's like harmful in some cases, 00:23:11.530 --> 00:23:16.620 Matt: if you always assume good intent. And so sometimes you actually need to, you know, I'm not saying you 00:23:16.640 --> 00:23:19.220 Matt: should be hostile but like you should like 00:23:19.220 --> 00:23:19.960 Matt: look 00:23:19.960 --> 00:23:22.900 Matt: at it and say like actually that wasn't a good 00:23:23.340 --> 00:23:28.140 Matt: intent to go down this path and we need to like reverse and go down a different path or something 00:23:29.100 --> 00:23:34.220 Matt: um in my mind it's like the two common like maybe two common examples you'd probably run into this 00:23:34.280 --> 00:23:39.840 Matt: is like looking at a pr that's like maybe going down the wrong path for the wrong reasons and or 00:23:40.140 --> 00:23:44.219 Matt: like looking at a legacy code base and trying to think like doesn't make sense to rewrite it like 00:23:44.240 --> 00:23:49.060 Matt: why did we end up where we are now that's like like assuming good intent is not going to let you 00:23:49.580 --> 00:23:55.900 Matt: actually make a constructive decision on um you know actually making a change or improving it 00:23:56.640 --> 00:23:57.080 Matt: that's my take 00:23:59.860 --> 00:24:00.520 Dillon: i don't know 00:24:00.520 --> 00:24:01.740 Dillon: the spiciness level it is 00:24:01.740 --> 00:24:06.660 Scott: mild medium hot fire and diablo so how can you rank mine you 00:24:06.760 --> 00:24:08.680 Scott: don't know the level of 00:24:08.680 --> 00:24:10.420 Dillon: your you go i don't know 00:24:10.420 --> 00:24:11.100 Dillon: like 00:24:11.100 --> 00:24:13.599 Dillon: i'm still tasting it i don't know what it's 00:24:13.620 --> 00:24:14.280 Scott: I 00:24:14.280 --> 00:24:15.100 Scott: have 00:24:15.100 --> 00:24:18.500 Scott: like so many thoughts that I'm going to try not to drone on here. 00:24:19.300 --> 00:24:20.220 Scott: I'm going to say it's a hot take 00:24:20.220 --> 00:24:20.900 Scott: right 00:24:20.900 --> 00:24:21.300 Scott: in the middle. 00:24:21.480 --> 00:24:21.920 Scott: I think it's, 00:24:22.060 --> 00:24:23.140 Scott: I think it's a good take. 00:24:24.200 --> 00:24:26.000 Scott: I think it's surface level of a take though, 00:24:27.240 --> 00:24:28.040 Scott: because I 00:24:28.040 --> 00:24:28.880 Scott: think 00:24:28.880 --> 00:24:30.700 Scott: when you get into the nitty gritty of it, 00:24:31.600 --> 00:24:32.060 Scott: it's like, 00:24:33.640 --> 00:24:33.780 Scott: yeah, 00:24:34.300 --> 00:24:35.060 Scott: you could like, 00:24:36.000 --> 00:24:37.640 Scott: they may have intended good things, 00:24:37.980 --> 00:24:38.780 Scott: but also like, 00:24:38.840 --> 00:24:39.940 Scott: you're not getting the contextual. 00:24:40.740 --> 00:24:41.700 Scott: We were strapped for time. 00:24:41.760 --> 00:24:42.820 Scott: We had to get X done. 00:24:42.980 --> 00:24:48.420 Scott: this was the priorities so there's like all these other factors to that um so i 00:24:48.420 --> 00:24:49.300 Scott: i'm 00:24:49.300 --> 00:24:50.240 Scott: like conflicted 00:24:50.240 --> 00:24:52.680 Scott: in the the take i see where you're going with it 00:24:52.680 --> 00:24:53.700 Scott: uh 00:24:53.700 --> 00:24:56.400 Scott: but i'll give it a hot take it's a hot take 00:24:56.850 --> 00:24:57.000 Matt: i 00:24:57.000 --> 00:24:58.020 Matt: guess like my point is like 00:24:58.020 --> 00:24:58.600 Matt: i 00:24:58.600 --> 00:25:00.140 Matt: feel like we use those as like 00:25:00.140 --> 00:25:03.040 Matt: uh like um excuses right they're 00:25:03.310 --> 00:25:05.400 Matt: like oh like they're time constrained etc like 00:25:05.400 --> 00:25:06.120 Matt: like 00:25:06.120 --> 00:25:08.380 Matt: maybe we shouldn't use those excuses like 00:25:08.460 --> 00:25:10.500 Matt: it's like that those are just taken for granted and then like 00:25:10.500 --> 00:25:11.080 Matt: i 00:25:11.080 --> 00:25:11.700 Matt: don't know yeah 00:25:11.700 --> 00:25:12.280 Matt: yeah 00:25:12.280 --> 00:25:12.940 Scott: yeah okay 00:25:12.960 --> 00:25:15.220 Scott: I could, yeah, I see where you're going. 00:25:16.140 --> 00:25:16.500 Scott: I 00:25:16.500 --> 00:25:18.800 Scott: agree with you, but I feel like the assume good intent, 00:25:19.380 --> 00:25:21.100 Scott: personally, is just, like, more of, like, a 00:25:21.820 --> 00:25:23.960 Scott: don't be cynical towards your peers kind of 00:25:23.960 --> 00:25:24.760 Scott: take 00:25:24.760 --> 00:25:26.120 Scott: or use case. 00:25:26.340 --> 00:25:29.240 Scott: Like, maybe that means I don't fully believe in it. 00:25:31.120 --> 00:25:32.640 Scott: But I agree with you that it's, like, 00:25:34.220 --> 00:25:36.880 Scott: sometimes people just put out shit to get it done. 00:25:37.110 --> 00:25:38.620 Scott: Like, there's a little more to it, but, like, 00:25:39.520 --> 00:25:41.820 Scott: yeah, you can't always assume that the code was written 00:25:41.840 --> 00:25:42.480 Scott: with the best 00:25:42.480 --> 00:25:43.500 Scott: intent 00:25:43.500 --> 00:25:44.460 Scott: or good intent. 00:25:44.840 --> 00:25:45.940 Scott: So I like your take. 00:25:46.440 --> 00:25:46.980 Scott: It is hot. 00:25:47.520 --> 00:25:48.020 Scott: It's a good one. 00:25:49.480 --> 00:25:49.660 Scott: Dillon. 00:25:50.420 --> 00:25:51.460 Dillon: Yeah, I think that's it. 00:25:52.160 --> 00:25:53.480 Dillon: Now the more that we're talking about, 00:25:53.480 --> 00:25:55.040 Dillon: I think it's a hot fire take 00:25:55.040 --> 00:25:56.000 Dillon: somewhere 00:25:56.000 --> 00:25:56.280 Dillon: in between. 00:26:00.200 --> 00:26:01.820 Dillon: Yeah, I feel like that saying is definitely 00:26:01.820 --> 00:26:03.040 Dillon: trying 00:26:03.040 --> 00:26:03.380 Dillon: to say 00:26:03.500 --> 00:26:04.560 Dillon: just be respectful 00:26:04.560 --> 00:26:05.560 Dillon: to 00:26:05.560 --> 00:26:08.300 Dillon: the people that did the thing before you. 00:26:09.920 --> 00:26:10.120 Dillon: but 00:26:10.120 --> 00:26:10.700 Dillon: I 00:26:10.700 --> 00:26:14.540 Dillon: think it's good to always like ask why and sort of challenge what we did 00:26:14.560 --> 00:26:15.860 Dillon: in the past and try to make it better. 00:26:16.000 --> 00:26:16.140 Dillon: Like 00:26:16.140 --> 00:26:17.140 Dillon: it's 00:26:17.140 --> 00:26:19.960 Dillon: okay to call out things that were wrong about what we did. 00:26:20.960 --> 00:26:23.060 Dillon: We're not going to be able to like get better and move forward. 00:26:23.400 --> 00:26:23.980 Dillon: If we don't do that. 00:26:24.040 --> 00:26:26.460 Scott: I got a mild salsa level take from Dillon, 00:26:27.280 --> 00:26:28.320 Scott: but Matt's got the fire 00:26:28.320 --> 00:26:29.240 Scott: bringing 00:26:29.240 --> 00:26:29.720 Scott: the fire. 00:26:30.980 --> 00:26:31.200 Scott: All right. 00:26:31.440 --> 00:26:33.300 Scott: I want design systems shouldn't exist. 00:26:34.480 --> 00:26:34.880 Scott: Retake. 00:26:37.240 --> 00:26:37.560 Dillon: I 00:26:37.560 --> 00:26:40.160 Dillon: mean, my company doesn't have one. 00:26:40.840 --> 00:26:41.100 Scott: All right. 00:26:41.100 --> 00:26:42.200 Scott: Well, we're running closer on time. 00:26:42.360 --> 00:26:43.680 Scott: We'll just try to get to our final segment. 00:26:44.940 --> 00:26:45.060 Matt: Yeah. 00:26:45.580 --> 00:26:48.240 Matt: We'll think about that take and give our review next time. 00:26:49.580 --> 00:26:49.880 Scott: All right. 00:26:50.460 --> 00:26:52.400 Scott: Back to our most popular and best 00:26:52.400 --> 00:26:53.220 Scott: segment. 00:26:54.740 --> 00:26:56.120 Scott: Viewers have been saying it's the best. 00:26:56.799 --> 00:26:58.580 Scott: We're low on time, so we're going to try to get through this. 00:26:58.820 --> 00:27:00.780 Scott: We're going back to two takes and a fake. 00:27:01.880 --> 00:27:02.620 Scott: We have three topics. 00:27:03.880 --> 00:27:04.780 Scott: Two takes and a fake. 00:27:05.180 --> 00:27:06.700 Scott: Somewhere, I think I wrote a monologue. 00:27:06.920 --> 00:27:09.780 Scott: Basically, this is where I stay on Twitter X or whatever. 00:27:09.980 --> 00:27:13.360 Scott: I'm trying to use Bluesky to bring you the hottest takes. 00:27:13.580 --> 00:27:15.060 Scott: Two of these takes are real. 00:27:15.560 --> 00:27:16.560 Scott: One of them is fake. 00:27:16.780 --> 00:27:18.920 Scott: Dillon and Matt have to guess which one. 00:27:19.180 --> 00:27:21.120 Scott: We got three rounds of questionings. 00:27:22.340 --> 00:27:23.720 Scott: Likely, there'll be one winner. 00:27:23.960 --> 00:27:25.200 Scott: If you both win, that's great. 00:27:25.540 --> 00:27:26.880 Scott: All right, let's start. 00:27:27.560 --> 00:27:28.720 Scott: Did Dax say this? 00:27:29.160 --> 00:27:31.400 Scott: Dax is an engineer in the internet. 00:27:32.620 --> 00:27:35.420 Scott: All of these came from him except for one. 00:27:35.640 --> 00:27:36.680 Scott: Which one is that one? 00:27:37.060 --> 00:27:44.720 Scott: I'll start. VC, former operator. What they mean here is they were a product manager at a CRM tool for veterinarians. 00:27:45.840 --> 00:27:45.920 Scott: It's 00:27:45.920 --> 00:27:46.580 Scott: our first take. 00:27:49.100 --> 00:27:53.500 Scott: Two, launched on AI-powered theme switcher. It only recommends beige. 00:27:56.799 --> 00:27:57.360 Scott: Three, 00:27:58.360 --> 00:28:01.820 Scott: set your Shadcn theme to brown. Call it Shat-CN. 00:28:05.400 --> 00:28:07.420 Scott: Dylan, which take is fake? 00:28:09.420 --> 00:28:10.480 Dillon: Give me the first one real quick. 00:28:10.680 --> 00:28:10.780 Scott: VC, 00:28:11.020 --> 00:28:12.020 Scott: former operator. 00:28:12.620 --> 00:28:17.040 Scott: What they mean here is they were a product manager at a CRM tool for veterinarians. 00:28:19.380 --> 00:28:20.220 Dillon: I think that's the fake. 00:28:20.680 --> 00:28:21.220 Dillon: That's got to be it. 00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:21.360 Scott: Got it. 00:28:21.740 --> 00:28:21.920 Scott: Matt. 00:28:24.160 --> 00:28:25.140 Matt: Wait, did he get it right? 00:28:26.680 --> 00:28:26.900 Scott: No, 00:28:27.000 --> 00:28:28.740 Scott: you both have to guess first. 00:28:30.080 --> 00:28:30.480 Matt: You 00:28:30.480 --> 00:28:31.180 Matt: just said got it. 00:28:31.280 --> 00:28:31.900 Matt: So I was like, all right. 00:28:32.760 --> 00:28:33.860 Matt: I think the third one is fake. 00:28:34.620 --> 00:28:35.900 Scott: You think this is... 00:28:37.790 --> 00:28:39.080 Scott: Man, you are both wrong. 00:28:39.320 --> 00:28:39.700 Scott: It's two. 00:28:40.260 --> 00:28:42.240 Scott: Launched an AI-powered theme switcher. 00:28:42.580 --> 00:28:43.780 Scott: It only recommends beige. 00:28:45.560 --> 00:28:47.260 Matt: It might help if we knew who Dax was. 00:28:47.560 --> 00:28:48.140 Matt: But... 00:28:50.240 --> 00:28:50.680 Scott: I 00:28:50.680 --> 00:28:52.840 Scott: got that recommendation to follow him from you, Matt. 00:28:52.910 --> 00:28:53.900 Scott: So, all right. 00:28:54.680 --> 00:28:55.160 Scott: Topic two. 00:28:56.380 --> 00:28:56.800 Scott: V0. 00:28:59.280 --> 00:29:02.400 Scott: You can now select files to lock in V0. 00:29:02.680 --> 00:29:05.280 Scott: V0 will only edit unlocked files. 00:29:06.840 --> 00:29:07.240 Scott: That's one. 00:29:08.940 --> 00:29:09.920 Scott: Two, V0 00:29:09.920 --> 00:29:13.020 Scott: will now stream and build logs as you deploy. 00:29:15.100 --> 00:29:15.640 Scott: Matt, no cheating. 00:29:18.680 --> 00:29:22.240 Scott: Three, V0 now supports environment-aware configs, 00:29:22.300 --> 00:29:24.480 Scott: letting you define settings per deployment target. 00:29:25.740 --> 00:29:26.980 Scott: Dillon, which one is the fake? 00:29:29.140 --> 00:29:29.660 Dillon: I don't know, Matt. 00:29:29.660 --> 00:29:29.980 Dillon: You go. 00:29:30.160 --> 00:29:30.660 Matt: The first one. 00:29:32.440 --> 00:29:33.360 Scott: That says number one. 00:29:33.560 --> 00:29:34.360 Scott: Dillon, hit me with a number. 00:29:34.440 --> 00:29:35.100 Scott: One, two, or three. 00:29:36.940 --> 00:29:37.940 Dillon: I'm just going to guess two. 00:29:39.000 --> 00:29:39.780 Scott: You're both wrong. 00:29:39.880 --> 00:29:40.640 Scott: It was the third one. 00:29:40.740 --> 00:29:42.160 Scott: I guess I got to make these easier. 00:29:42.940 --> 00:29:45.520 Scott: Z0 now supports environment-aware configs, 00:29:45.600 --> 00:29:48.100 Scott: letting you define settings for a default target. 00:29:49.220 --> 00:29:49.580 Scott: All right. 00:29:49.840 --> 00:29:50.660 Scott: So it's 0-0. 00:29:50.880 --> 00:29:51.640 Scott: Anyone's game here. 00:29:51.780 --> 00:29:53.100 Scott: Let's see if anyone can win this one. 00:29:53.460 --> 00:29:54.320 Scott: Next topic is... 00:29:54.320 --> 00:29:55.260 Dillon: I feel like we were just 00:29:55.260 --> 00:29:57.040 Dillon: given 00:29:57.040 --> 00:29:57.840 Dillon: a multiple choice, 00:29:58.140 --> 00:30:00.820 Dillon: but we never got the homework. 00:30:01.040 --> 00:30:01.740 Dillon: We never studied. 00:30:01.820 --> 00:30:01.840 Dillon: you 00:30:01.840 --> 00:30:03.260 Scott: yup 00:30:03.260 --> 00:30:04.040 Dillon: didn't get the answer. 00:30:04.560 --> 00:30:05.200 Scott: All right, all right. 00:30:06.520 --> 00:30:07.380 Scott: Last one, all right. 00:30:08.440 --> 00:30:09.300 Scott: AI is the topic. 00:30:09.560 --> 00:30:12.120 Scott: Number one, a Slack bot that analyzes your code base 00:30:12.580 --> 00:30:14.380 Scott: and dependencies to predict prudential issues 00:30:14.660 --> 00:30:16.280 Scott: such as bugs or performance bottlenecks 00:30:16.500 --> 00:30:17.020 Scott: before they arise. 00:30:18.280 --> 00:30:20.060 Scott: It sends regular reports with insights 00:30:20.110 --> 00:30:20.800 Scott: and recommendations 00:30:20.800 --> 00:30:22.020 Scott: to help keep your project 00:30:22.110 --> 00:30:23.640 Scott: running smoothly and prevent roadblocks. 00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:27.680 Scott: Two, I'm 00:30:27.680 --> 00:30:28.580 Scott: now running my project 00:30:28.770 --> 00:30:30.060 Scott: inside a dev container and 00:30:30.060 --> 00:30:30.280 Scott: cursor. 00:30:30.600 --> 00:30:32.900 Scott: I went from a dozen troubleshooting sessions every week, 00:30:33.460 --> 00:30:35.520 Scott: trying to find people's environments to zero. 00:30:35.900 --> 00:30:36.840 Scott: Dev containers just work. 00:30:37.480 --> 00:30:38.860 Scott: More developers should consider them. 00:30:41.440 --> 00:30:43.000 Scott: Three, after hours of fighting, 00:30:43.050 --> 00:30:44.080 Scott: I finally implemented 00:30:44.080 --> 00:30:45.200 Scott: over 00:30:45.200 --> 00:30:45.300 Scott: dragging 00:30:45.530 --> 00:30:46.860 Scott: in the select to zoom feature. 00:30:46.950 --> 00:30:49.200 Scott: I tried every AI model to solve it, 00:30:49.800 --> 00:30:50.780 Scott: but all failed miserably. 00:30:51.300 --> 00:30:53.140 Scott: It was one of the hardest things I've done in months. 00:30:53.860 --> 00:30:54.160 Scott: Matt, 00:30:54.360 --> 00:30:54.960 Scott: which 00:30:54.960 --> 00:30:55.620 Scott: one's fake? 00:30:58.280 --> 00:30:59.020 Matt: I'm leaning towards either 00:30:59.020 --> 00:30:59.680 Matt: one or two. 00:31:02.320 --> 00:31:04.900 Matt: one sounds like it could be an actual pitch. 00:31:05.830 --> 00:31:06.500 Matt: So I'm going to say two. 00:31:08.080 --> 00:31:08.200 Scott: Dillon. 00:31:10.780 --> 00:31:12.400 Dillon: It's one for me, and I got to go. 00:31:12.770 --> 00:31:12.860 Dillon: Catch 00:31:12.860 --> 00:31:13.020 Dillon: you 00:31:13.020 --> 00:31:13.420 Dillon: guys later. 00:31:14.100 --> 00:31:14.900 Scott: And Dillon is correct. 00:31:15.210 --> 00:31:18.000 Scott: It is number one, and Dillon wins one to zero. 00:31:19.080 --> 00:31:20.060 Scott: Matt knew it, too. 00:31:20.900 --> 00:31:21.720 Scott: Oh, darn. 00:31:22.940 --> 00:31:23.240 Scott: Those were 00:31:23.240 --> 00:31:23.560 Scott: too hard. 00:31:24.760 --> 00:31:26.340 Matt: I don't know where our scoreboard is. 00:31:26.440 --> 00:31:27.760 Matt: We need to figure out where our scoreboard is. 00:31:28.050 --> 00:31:29.380 Matt: I think you won last time. 00:31:29.920 --> 00:31:30.060 Scott: it's 00:31:30.060 --> 00:31:30.400 Scott: 1-1 00:31:31.740 --> 00:31:32.180 Scott: the 00:31:32.180 --> 00:31:33.720 Scott: points are all made up and they don't matter 00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:34.340 Scott: just remember 00:31:35.470 --> 00:31:37.720 Matt: yeah I think I guess like with that we can maybe 00:31:37.940 --> 00:31:39.680 Matt: jump into our maybe the final segment 00:31:40.380 --> 00:31:41.620 Matt: Scott what's up with you 00:31:42.400 --> 00:31:42.840 Matt: what's 00:31:42.840 --> 00:31:43.660 Matt: something new that you've been 00:31:44.020 --> 00:31:45.140 Matt: looking at or learning about 00:31:45.960 --> 00:31:47.940 Scott: this is the only topic I haven't prepared 00:31:48.120 --> 00:31:48.520 Scott: for Matt 00:31:48.520 --> 00:31:49.500 Scott: but 00:31:49.500 --> 00:31:49.980 Scott: I'll tell you 00:31:52.600 --> 00:31:53.880 Scott: I mean I'm constantly 00:31:54.340 --> 00:31:55.820 Scott: updating my NeoVim config but 00:31:56.240 --> 00:31:57.759 Scott: something cool I've been doing at work 00:31:58.340 --> 00:32:00.880 Scott: i've been doing a lot of uh ui heavy work 00:32:00.880 --> 00:32:01.980 Scott: uh 00:32:01.980 --> 00:32:03.880 Scott: i know i've been just talking about go lately 00:32:04.800 --> 00:32:05.960 Scott: i still am still 00:32:05.960 --> 00:32:07.520 Scott: knee 00:32:07.520 --> 00:32:08.660 Scott: deep neck deep in that 00:32:08.660 --> 00:32:10.980 Scott: but i 00:32:10.980 --> 00:32:12.900 Scott: have been doing some cool parallax stuff 00:32:13.240 --> 00:32:16.960 Scott: with webm files i originally we our designer gave us like 00:32:16.960 --> 00:32:19.460 Scott: a mock 00:32:19.460 --> 00:32:20.380 Scott: that i thought we needed to 00:32:20.600 --> 00:32:26.660 Scott: css and and have it animate on scroll and i while i gung-ho did that for about two hours i was told 00:32:26.660 --> 00:32:29.840 Scott: Actually, no, just take these video files that animate on scroll. 00:32:30.270 --> 00:32:39.220 Scott: So it's very similar to what you see Apple do on a lot of their screens when they have new products, but rather they like show you the product and it moves on scroll. 00:32:39.400 --> 00:32:42.660 Scott: It tends to be a video or a series of pictures that are moving. 00:32:43.340 --> 00:32:48.380 Scott: We're doing that with a video and it's been it's been pretty cool because I've never used this technique. 00:32:49.060 --> 00:32:51.340 Scott: So I like getting back into this 00:32:51.340 --> 00:32:52.840 Scott: ability 00:32:52.840 --> 00:32:54.060 Scott: to learn like heavy UI. 00:32:54.360 --> 00:33:02.500 Scott: And I've been spending some time looking at, like I like, you know, Jay is an inspiration for me, but some of those more UI heavy solutions that he's come up with. 00:33:02.840 --> 00:33:05.100 Scott: He's done, I've seen him do a lot of things with 00:33:05.100 --> 00:33:07.600 Scott: tables 00:33:07.600 --> 00:33:13.280 Scott: that were, or just with CSS essentially that I was trying to do when we were at Fireworks. 00:33:13.600 --> 00:33:15.020 Scott: I name dropped, whoops. 00:33:15.640 --> 00:33:20.040 Scott: But I had a lot of opportunity to really push the UI boundaries. 00:33:20.350 --> 00:33:26.920 Scott: Like on the fireworks homepage, you can see like this cool opacity fade we do with the has selector. 00:33:28.060 --> 00:33:29.620 Scott: And he was doing a lot of that with tables. 00:33:30.330 --> 00:33:30.440 Scott: So 00:33:30.440 --> 00:33:33.640 Scott: he had a lot of cool ideas that were reminiscent or just like a 00:33:33.640 --> 00:33:34.480 Scott: play 00:33:34.480 --> 00:33:37.880 Scott: on some stuff I was doing if I had pushed those concepts a little bit further. 00:33:38.420 --> 00:33:44.340 Scott: So I kind of want to get back into doing that really cool visual stuff and hope that I get more time with that. 00:33:44.940 --> 00:33:46.420 Scott: And this video 00:33:46.420 --> 00:33:47.580 Scott: scrolling 00:33:47.580 --> 00:33:50.160 Scott: stuff was kind of a reintroduction to that. 00:33:51.180 --> 00:33:52.280 Scott: Matt, what's up with you? 00:33:52.760 --> 00:33:53.160 Scott: Anything new? 00:33:54.940 --> 00:33:57.600 Matt: Oh, man, I think I even forgot to prepare for this also. 00:34:00.420 --> 00:34:00.860 Matt: I don't know. 00:34:02.460 --> 00:34:02.900 Matt: I've 00:34:02.900 --> 00:34:04.540 Matt: been working on another side project. 00:34:04.930 --> 00:34:05.620 Matt: Big surprise. 00:34:07.080 --> 00:34:11.000 Matt: I released yet another side project yesterday, also kind of unrelated. 00:34:12.560 --> 00:34:14.560 Matt: I feel like we were talking about earlier in the episode. 00:34:14.780 --> 00:34:16.340 Matt: It's like I go on these tangents where it's like, 00:34:17.179 --> 00:34:17.639 Matt: I'll just like, 00:34:18.780 --> 00:34:19.040 Matt: I don't know. 00:34:21.379 --> 00:34:22.620 Scott: Plug it. Plug the side project. 00:34:23.899 --> 00:34:24.879 Matt: All right. It's called Vndr. 00:34:25.520 --> 00:34:26.620 Matt: That's the one I released yesterday. 00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:28.399 Matt: VNDR 00:34:29.000 --> 00:34:29.300 Matt: on NPM. 00:34:30.659 --> 00:34:32.620 Matt: It's just a quick little CLI 00:34:32.639 --> 00:34:34.340 Matt: to let you download stuff. 00:34:34.960 --> 00:34:36.300 Matt: So it's render, but it's 00:34:36.300 --> 00:34:36.520 Scott: vendor. 00:34:37.580 --> 00:34:38.220 Scott: Got it. Nice. 00:34:38.780 --> 00:34:39.320 Matt: But it's like 00:34:40.800 --> 00:34:42.760 Matt: vendor in a script for you. 00:34:43.320 --> 00:34:44.159 Matt: Or vendor in a package. 00:34:44.500 --> 00:34:44.860 Matt: So if you want to 00:34:44.860 --> 00:34:46.179 Matt: inline 00:34:46.179 --> 00:34:48.000 Matt: a package, kind of like the way the Shadcn works, 00:34:48.460 --> 00:34:54.320 Matt: versus install it into node_modules, you can just run Buttex vendor, your package name, 00:34:54.500 --> 00:35:00.360 Matt: and it'll just copy the package into your own project, and you can tweak it as you see fit. 00:35:01.880 --> 00:35:03.400 Matt: And it works with GitHub URLs and 00:35:03.400 --> 00:35:04.280 Matt: stuff 00:35:04.280 --> 00:35:04.600 Matt: like that. 00:35:04.620 --> 00:35:05.180 Matt: It was pretty neat. 00:35:05.780 --> 00:35:06.660 Matt: I basically had an idea 00:35:06.660 --> 00:35:07.440 Matt: at, 00:35:07.520 --> 00:35:09.100 Matt: I don't know, maybe 9 p.m., 00:35:09.100 --> 00:35:09.960 Matt: hopped 00:35:09.960 --> 00:35:11.640 Matt: into Cursor and said, 00:35:11.860 --> 00:35:12.520 Matt: build me the script. 00:35:13.280 --> 00:35:14.240 Matt: It just cranked it out. 00:35:14.740 --> 00:35:15.200 Matt: and it was great 00:35:16.640 --> 00:35:17.320 Matt: so Chris's 00:35:17.440 --> 00:35:17.540 Matt: new 00:35:17.540 --> 00:35:18.620 Scott: create a new package for you 00:35:19.240 --> 00:35:21.320 Matt: yeah maybe it's Cursor's project not mine 00:35:23.320 --> 00:35:23.640 Matt: yeah 00:35:23.640 --> 00:35:23.940 Matt: I don't know 00:35:24.380 --> 00:35:26.460 Matt: I think that's about it I don't have anything else 00:35:27.940 --> 00:35:28.560 Matt: it's like 00:35:28.660 --> 00:35:30.420 Matt: it's been really exciting I just like kind of working on 00:35:30.500 --> 00:35:32.440 Matt: the side projects like this one the other one I'm 00:35:32.520 --> 00:35:33.040 Matt: working on is like 00:35:33.040 --> 00:35:34.360 Matt: I'm 00:35:34.360 --> 00:35:34.500 Matt: trying 00:35:34.500 --> 00:35:36.200 Matt: to put more effort into and it's 00:35:37.000 --> 00:35:38.040 Matt: just more gnarly to 00:35:38.780 --> 00:35:38.980 Matt: build it 00:35:38.980 --> 00:35:39.720 Matt: maybe 00:35:39.720 --> 00:35:40.440 Matt: we'll talk about it in 00:35:40.560 --> 00:35:41.619 Matt: a couple episodes time 00:35:42.460 --> 00:35:46.500 Scott: yeah i also like the other day we were chatting i was trying to set up um 00:35:46.500 --> 00:35:47.580 Scott: a 00:35:47.580 --> 00:35:48.680 Scott: monorepo template with 00:35:48.980 --> 00:35:52.860 Scott: with moon repo i uh got about nowhere i half built it and then 00:35:52.860 --> 00:35:53.580 Scott: had 00:35:53.580 --> 00:35:53.860 Scott: to leave 00:35:53.860 --> 00:35:55.160 Scott: um 00:35:55.160 --> 00:35:56.860 Scott: but i have something 00:35:57.060 --> 00:36:00.600 Scott: locally and i kind of just wanted to play around with that what that would look like so that's 00:36:00.700 --> 00:36:04.480 Scott: another thing i'm excited to do i was originally i don't know if i said this here 00:36:04.480 --> 00:36:05.260 Scott: but 00:36:05.260 --> 00:36:05.720 Scott: i wanted to 00:36:06.220 --> 00:36:08.800 Scott: write a to-do app in Node and then rewrite it and go. 00:36:10.640 --> 00:36:12.780 Scott: I might still try to do that after I build this template up. 00:36:12.990 --> 00:36:13.460 Scott: I might just 00:36:13.460 --> 00:36:14.780 Scott: forego 00:36:14.780 --> 00:36:16.560 Scott: writing the to-do app in Node 00:36:16.590 --> 00:36:18.480 Scott: since I know I already have one and just look at it 00:36:19.440 --> 00:36:23.500 Scott: and then just be like, okay, now how do I do that in Go 00:36:23.950 --> 00:36:26.820 Scott: so I can take that skill set with me as I continue to grow. 00:36:27.060 --> 00:36:27.240 Scott: But 00:36:27.240 --> 00:36:28.020 Scott: that's 00:36:28.020 --> 00:36:29.140 Scott: really, yeah, that's it. 00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:33.039 Matt: The trick with doing sort of language comparisons 00:36:33.040 --> 00:36:34.460 Matt: that I think most people should 00:36:34.460 --> 00:36:35.420 Matt: key 00:36:35.420 --> 00:36:35.840 Matt: in on, 00:36:36.280 --> 00:36:38.040 Matt: like whether or not they're like making a technical decision 00:36:38.180 --> 00:36:38.920 Matt: on what language should adopt, 00:36:39.020 --> 00:36:40.960 Matt: but more so just like learning a language is like, 00:36:41.440 --> 00:36:45.000 Matt: you should write a project in a language you know first 00:36:45.660 --> 00:36:48.300 Matt: and then write it in the language that you don't know. 00:36:48.900 --> 00:36:50.280 Matt: Because if you do it the other way around, 00:36:50.780 --> 00:36:51.480 Matt: like the problem is like, 00:36:52.460 --> 00:36:54.320 Matt: no matter what, you're going to come away with some learning 00:36:54.660 --> 00:36:56.500 Matt: from the first project as you go into the second project. 00:36:57.240 --> 00:36:59.480 Matt: And so you're like, oh, that was like a weird pattern. 00:36:59.780 --> 00:37:01.680 Matt: Let me restructure it when I go into the second one. 00:37:02.440 --> 00:37:09.060 Matt: And so now it's your biasing, your learning, biasing, whatever metrics you care about in terms of comparing them. 00:37:10.559 --> 00:37:13.260 Matt: So maybe that's a useful way to approach it. 00:37:13.980 --> 00:37:14.780 Scott: Yeah, I absolutely agree. 00:37:14.900 --> 00:37:16.240 Scott: That was like the original plan. 00:37:16.370 --> 00:37:18.900 Scott: I just know that I've done this 00:37:18.900 --> 00:37:20.100 Scott: and 00:37:20.100 --> 00:37:22.180 Scott: was like, do I just look at it or do I do it again? 00:37:23.480 --> 00:37:27.780 Scott: But maybe I'll just do it again just to refresh my brain on how I would do it. 00:37:30.680 --> 00:37:30.820 Matt: Cool. 00:37:31.220 --> 00:37:31.460 Matt: All right. 00:37:31.580 --> 00:37:32.660 Matt: Do we want to call the episode there? 00:37:34.640 --> 00:37:35.100 Scott: You got it. 00:37:35.460 --> 00:37:37.360 Scott: Check us out at thebikeshedpod 00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:38.160 .com. 00:37:40.240 --> 00:37:41.780 Matt: Wait, it's without the the, though. 00:37:42.140 --> 00:37:43.600 Matt: It's just bikeshedpod.com. 00:37:45.140 --> 00:37:49.400 Matt: And if you want to insert an ad segment, go to bikeshedpod.com slash sponsor, 00:37:49.820 --> 00:37:53.440 Matt: which we haven't built yet, but maybe it'll exist eventually. 00:37:53.780 --> 00:37:54.100 Matt: We'll see. 00:37:54.120 --> 00:37:57.300 Scott: And maybe we'll buy the bikeshedpod.com so I can be correct. 00:37:59.240 --> 00:37:59.600 Scott: I 00:37:59.600 --> 00:38:00.200 Scott: realized 00:38:00.200 --> 00:38:01.700 Scott: as I was saying it that it was wrong. 00:38:01.790 --> 00:38:03.640 Scott: And I was like, I got to lean in here. 00:38:03.670 --> 00:38:04.100 Scott: I can't 00:38:04.100 --> 00:38:04.840 Scott: stop. 00:38:05.860 --> 00:38:08.680 Matt: That's the true, that's truly what DDD stands for, 00:38:08.860 --> 00:38:10.660 Matt: is domain name driven development. 00:38:11.340 --> 00:38:11.600 Matt: That's right. 00:38:11.760 --> 00:38:13.980 Matt: You buy the domain name first and then you build the project. 00:38:15.960 --> 00:38:16.420 Scott: That's right. 00:38:18.180 --> 00:38:18.540 Matt: All right. 00:38:19.540 --> 00:38:19.720 Scott: Peace. 00:38:20.240 --> 00:38:51.160 Matt: See you next week